drunkenpm radio EP 2 - BiModal! with Steve Elliott and Dennis Stevens

January 31, 2016 05:56 PM | COMMENTS (0) | CATEGORIES: AgileCraft, bimodal, Dave Prior, Dennis Stevens, drunkenpm radio, Hybrid Agile, LeadingAgile, Mode 0, Mode 1, Mode 2, organizational agility, Steve Elliott

In this podcast is I got to dig into the topic of Bimodal with two guys who are deeply knowledgeable about both the traditional and the Agile space. If you aren’t familiar with Bimodal yet, you definitely want to check this out because it is poised to have a massive impact on how organizations introduce and work with Agile. And if you are already up to speed on bimodal, there is a good chance some of the discussion in this podcast is going to challenge what you know on this topic.

Some links from the Podcast

Steve Elliott Interview 

AgileCraft http://agilecraft.com

AgileCraft on Twitter - https://twitter.com/theagilecraft


Dennis Stevens Interview

LeadingAgile http://www.leadingagile.com

LeadingAgile on Twitter https://twitter.com/leadingagile

Dennis Stevens on Twitter https://twitter.com/dennisstevens


The blog post Dennis mentioned on Agile vs. Waterfall http://www.leadingagile.com/2013/08/agile-vs-waterfall/



Show Notes

0:00 Introduction to the Bimodal Podcast

Steve Elliott Interview

2:50 Start Interview with Steve Elliott from AgileCraft

3:22 Background on Steve and AgileCraft

5:30 Defining Organizational Agility

6:50 The challenges of scale (with Agile)

8:00 The challenge of Bimodal

9:00 Defining Bimodal

9:40 AgileCraft’s take on Bimodal

11:15 Is Bimodal just a way of legitimizing a hybrid model

12:28 Admitting when we can’t actually go 100% Agile

13:00 The Agile Walk of Shame

13:51 AgileCraft’s decision to support Bimodal and “meet them where they’re at”

15:00 How Bimodal brings the data from both worlds into once place

16:00 Transparency and Measuring Value

17:10 Agile’s connection to strategy

18:11 Figuring out what data you need to pay attention to

20:22 The dangers of big wave planning

21:30 How the Agile space is evolving and maturing

22:30 How to contact Steve


Dennis Stevens Interview

23:15 - Dennis Steven’s interview begins

24:14 Background on Dennis and LeadingAgile

25:00 Dennis explains Bimodal

26:00 Why some things can’t move fast in an organization

27:00 Not everything (in an organization) is ready to move to Agile

27:47 Not everyone is trying to move everything to Agile

28:00 How most people are misinterpreting the message of Bimodal

29:10 Nobody thinks matrix teams are the right way to build software

29:52 People are still running by the pool with scissors in their mouths

30:15 It’s like crack for the business world

31:43 Conditions that must exist for fast feedback cycles and bimodal to work

33:50 Is transitioning to bimodal harder than just transitioning to Agile? (3 options for transformation)

35:51 Realizing when your organization has changed enough

36:45 You have to make Mode 1 be sexy and desirable

37:10 Creating the urgency for change

37:45 Do organizations have the self-awareness needed to understand what change they need?

38:20 Explaining it to Executives

40:10 Why Dennis does not have a “bimodal” conversation with executives

41:00 The value of having a pragmatic and safe roadmap for transformation  that resonates with Executives

41:47 The hardest part of transforming to bimodal

42:40 How to contact Dennis

Any feedback (good, bad, whatever) would be greatly appreciated. You can reach me at drunkenpm@gmail.com or twitter.com/drunkenpm.

drunkenpm radio Ep. 1 - Interviews with Shane Hastie, Troy Magennis and John D. Cook.

December 21, 2015 02:28 AM | COMMENTS (0) | CATEGORIES: Agile, business agility, data, drunkenpm radio, hybrid, John D Cook, metrics, organizational agility, Shane Hastie, Troy Magennis

I've changed the way I am doing the interviews and putting the podcasts together. So, this is a bit of a test and any feedback would be greatly appreciated...

Part 1 - Interview with Shane Hastie on Hybrid Agile models, Business (Organizational) Agility and Bimodal.

Part 2 - Interview with John D. Cook and Troy Magennis on data literacy, what we should be looking at and finding the multiplying factors to help us increase productivity.

Any feedback (good, bad, whatever) would be greatly appreciated. You can reach me at drunkenpm@gmail.com or twitter.com/drunkenpm.


Following a suggestion from Derek Huether, I'm including some notes (below) to moments in the interviews you may find of interest.

Some info on the interviewees:
Shane Hastie on LinkedIn and Twitter
Troy Magennis at FocusedObjective or on Twitter
John D. Cook can be found on his website, or on Twitter.

Shane Hastie Interview

Podcast Overview 00:44

Shane Interview Start 02:14

Opening question on hybrids, organizational agility, and bimodal 02:32

Will Hybrid models continue to exist 03:31

Letting Infrastructure off the hook  03:50

Why knowledge workers aren’t off the hook 04:25

Infrastructure example to explain where you need traditional and where you need agile 05:00

Where you need incremental roll out without iterative change 06:05

The  PMP / Architect Happy Dance 07:00

The Agile people are all spitting on themselves 07:24

Launching a new product example 07:50

Learning is everything - you want Lean Startup 08:10

Knowing when to stop pivoting 08:50

Agile is spot on - Learning and Adapting 09:10

The goal is not agile, the goal is learning 09:30

Are we making progress 09:58

Throwing down the Agile banner 10:21

Agile is just a set of tools and a nice brand 10:40

We are still addicted to waterfall 11:00

People have been successful in the old way or working 11:25

There are not many pathological managers out there. 12:05

Helping them see that the global paradigm of business has changed 12:20 

Finding the right combination of techniques and practices12:35

Packing agile brands 12:50

Can you design a new insurance product with TDD 13:19

What about the people who do not recognize that the business paradigm has changed 13:41

The pace of change is increasing 14:30

Cultural Change Officer 14:43

People don’t resist change unless they can’t see the benefits 15:00

Finding the personal win 15:40

Defining (Organizational) Business Agility 16:40

Bimodal 17:45

Leveraging skill and knowledge of people in your organization 18:33

Practices designed to fill the gaps in Agile 18:50

Shane’s favorites from the Agile 2015 19:40

Defining value for organizations 12:08

Teaching the organization 21:00

If we could all be Sweden… 21:50

Wrap up 22:00


John Cook and Troy Magennis Interview

Intro 22:35

Are we data literate enough? 24:05

experiments and lean startup 24:34

Using legacy charts we don’t understand 15:00

Bing addicted to bad data in legacy charts 25:20

How do we help them see the right data 25:50

What should we measure and look at 26:23

Working on multiple projects 26:35

How much work are we doing 27:00

When they ignore what the data tells them 27:30

The chronic problem of multitasking 28:00

Extreme examples from academia and leveling 29:22

Tools fostering dysfunction 29:50

How do we teach them to ask for better stuff 30:25

We knew this stuff and we threw it all away 31:00

Agile and the laws of physics 31:15

Probability in the future 31:30

A predictable environment  vs rolling dice 32:15

How long will things take 32:40

Creating / Defining a stable team 33:00

Tracking interruptions per week: 33:23

Helping hem understand why interrupts are bad by visualizing it 34:20

Understanding the difference between what you do and what the tool says you do 35:25

Interrupting managers v interrupting programmers 35:40

Tracking positive interruptions 36:00

A level playing field - they all suck so it worked well 37:15

The managers that will breed 38:00

Finding the multiplying factors 38:35

Technical Debt 39:10

Figuring out if we are looking at something meaningful 39:45

What is the mission with respect to data? 40:10

Trying to find the best course of action 40:45

We’re more about removing metrics and detail 41:10

Closing 41:40